Do you believe in God?

Santiago · 11-21-2009, 01:06 PM

We haven't had a religious thread in a while now and they're usually the best!

So yeah, I wanna hear you guys' opinion, what do you believe in and why.

go!

Dominator Dan · 11-21-2009, 01:07 PM

I DON'T KNOW

Santiago · 11-21-2009, 01:11 PM

Agnosticism is an ok stand to take on religion Dan, it's a shame I forgot to add that option to the poll, sorry!

Happyjuice · 11-21-2009, 01:29 PM

Trooper · 11-21-2009, 06:28 PM

I like to take the view that a lot of what we believe due to science (evolution or the Big Bang, for example) really did take place, but all due to a divine influence. It's easier that way.

Santiago · 11-21-2009, 01:36 PM

Yeah, but you see, by using the term 'accident' you're implying that it couldn't be some kind of random universal event, when its obviously NOT a random universal event, its more like just the result of an evolutionary unbroken chain of life which slowly ended on this. So yeah, no.

Cubert · 11-21-2009, 03:00 PM

absolutely not. we're basically fantastically evolved plants.

Shaun · 11-21-2009, 03:36 PM

Earth is just a rock with mold on it

Nick The Almighty · 11-21-2009, 03:30 PM

close this thread

Slade · 11-21-2009, 03:52 PM

There's no aliens abducting people, no mysterious monsters, and no supernatural puppeteers. These are all sensationalised, man-made ideas. The undeniable reality of nature is far more fascinating, with mind-controlling fungus spores and spiders that lasso their prey.

Just slipping in my unoriginal two cents before it gets noisy.

AR-Raven · 11-21-2009, 04:09 PM

Yes. I am the lord and savior Jesus Christ. This is my actual religious belief.

Jesterfoot · 11-21-2009, 05:06 PM

why has every recent poll had hidden results?

btw no I do not

Santiago · 11-21-2009, 05:26 PM

I really enjoy this show:

Mabdog · 11-21-2009, 05:50 PM

yeah.. it's a good show.

I don't believe anything said in the bible. I think the whole thing is complete bullshit. Whether or not it was written with good intentions or not, it's too dangerous. It causes too much conflict, and can be interpreted in many different ways. I personally don't believe there's some higher being or god.
Saying yes to this question isn't saying that you are a christian or that you believe in the bible.. The question is "do you believe in god".. which can mean any religion or philosophy. I think quite a few of you answered no with christianity/catholocism in mind.
For all of you who said no: how do you think this world started?

Compcat · 11-21-2009, 06:21 PM

I don't believe in Bible God. Its been proven that thought and love come from evolution, so without anything to come before it, it would be ridiculous for thought and love, especially in any form that we know it, to exist and then create the entire cosmos. Then of course theres the thousands of things in the bible that are ridiculous and contradict science. Now if you want to read the bible symbolically or metaphorically and want to call the universe, nature, or a general metaphysical awe "God" then sure I'll say I believe.

I don't have any gripes with people that believe, I used to believe that we'd be better off converting all of them to atheism, but I was an angsty black metal nerd. I think that we all have our way of connecting with that sense of awe when we think of the universe and our place in it, except some people who just don't seem to care which is fine too. But I'm constantly thinking about the big questions like "what does life mean" or "what is all of this," and for me thats really my way of understanding reality and existence. Growing up in a religious environment would be stifling for my thoughts and I'm sure I'd have a lot less understanding of my place in life. Some people don't think like that so their way of understand the world and reality is through believing in a mythology, which thats perfectly fine I think as long as they don't impose on government or act out violently. I wouldn't want to take that away from them, just as I wouldn't want them to impose their metaphysical ideas on me.

There are also a lot of religious people who think that without religion people have no morals, and I'm beginning to believe that for a lot of people, especially those who believe that particular idea, it might actually be true. I don't really have any evidence of that, but it seems like such an absurd thought to me that I don't really understand how they could believe it unless by knowing that that is the way that themselves are built. Also I had a Mormon friend who over the years left his religion and then got deep into drugs and all sorts of terrible behavior, and yeah thats not proof, I don't believe in this 100%, I'm just speculating on why some people might turn to relgion. Another good aspect of religion is the community. Its a good social thing that keeps people of the community together and talking with each other (of course I know there are extremist muslims who oppress their people and fundamentalist mormons who are also abused, but by and large the average joe schmoe churches in your local town are good people). Actually I think some people who just don't really think or care much about the big deep questions might even turn to religion for the community aspect alone and not give the complete overhaul of beliefs much thought, which is also fine I think because its not like much bad comes from it, since those people probably won't turn to an extremist religion.

This is an extremely good show, I recommend all the episodes.

Santiago · 11-22-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

There are also a lot of religious people who think that without religion people have no morals, and I'm beginning to believe that for a lot of people, especially those who believe that particular idea, it might actually be true.

I can't believe I skipped this part, people who thinks this way is a disgrace to our society; I really don't KNOW how safe is to be near them if their only reason for not commiting criminal acts is the fear of an eternal torture in hell.

I really DO worry about these people.

Michael Jeffrey · 11-22-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

There are also a lot of religious people who think that without religion people have no morals, and I'm beginning to believe that for a lot of people, especially those who believe that particular idea, it might actually be true.

Yeah it might be true if 'not having religion' equates to the destruction of all emotional capacity and will to live.

Rabid Dinosaur · 11-21-2009, 06:50 PM

Bown · 11-21-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabid Dinosaur

No.

Liam Brocklehurst · 11-21-2009, 07:41 PM

James McCloud · 11-21-2009, 06:56 PM

im not a big fan of theists or atheists.

Breed · 11-21-2009, 07:46 PM

I dunno

sometimes I get my head bitten off when I say this, but I think it's pretty ignorant to believe in God definitely or not believe definitely

Compcat · 11-21-2009, 08:28 PM

Explain yourself then. About the not believing, since I agree with the former.

Breed · 11-22-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

Explain yourself then. About the not believing, since I agree with the former.

the people who claim to know for absolute 100% sure God exists... it's bull. Of course they don't know. If they did it wouldn't be faith, it would be fact. And it isn't fact because there is no proof.

on the flip side, people who claim to know for absolute 100% sure God does not exist, it is equally, objectively speaking, bull. They can't disprove it, just like the believers can't prove it.

For some reason what a lot of people seem to have trouble with is accepting that it's okay not to know this particular answer [among others]. There is no shame in that

on that note I think religion has ended up ruining humanity

Michael Jeffrey · 11-22-2009, 07:57 AM

That's what I hate about agnosticism, it's seen as a fence sitting belief, when really it's the only option. Logic dictates that logic can't understand god.

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11-21-2009, 01:06 PM	#1
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471	Do you believe in God? We haven't had a religious thread in a while now and they're usually the best! So yeah, I wanna hear you guys' opinion, what do you believe in and why. go!
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471

11-21-2009, 01:11 PM	#3
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471	Agnosticism is an ok stand to take on religion Dan, it's a shame I forgot to add that option to the poll, sorry!
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471

11-21-2009, 06:28 PM	#5
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,441	I like to take the view that a lot of what we believe due to science (evolution or the Big Bang, for example) really did take place, but all due to a divine influence. It's easier that way.
Trooper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,441

11-21-2009, 01:36 PM	#6
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471	Yeah, but you see, by using the term 'accident' you're implying that it couldn't be some kind of random universal event, when its obviously NOT a random universal event, its more like just the result of an evolutionary unbroken chain of life which slowly ended on this. So yeah, no.
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471

11-21-2009, 01:07 PM	#2
Dominator Dan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 11,564	I DON'T KNOW

11-21-2009, 01:29 PM	#4
Happyjuice Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,573	-

11-21-2009, 03:00 PM	#7
Cubert Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,990	absolutely not. we're basically fantastically evolved plants.
Cubert Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,990

11-21-2009, 03:36 PM	#8
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881	Earth is just a rock with mold on it
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881

11-21-2009, 03:30 PM	#9
Nick The Almighty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,909	close this thread

11-21-2009, 03:52 PM	#10
Slade Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,390	There's no aliens abducting people, no mysterious monsters, and no supernatural puppeteers. These are all sensationalised, man-made ideas. The undeniable reality of nature is far more fascinating, with mind-controlling fungus spores and spiders that lasso their prey. Just slipping in my unoriginal two cents before it gets noisy.
Slade Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,390

11-21-2009, 04:09 PM	#11
AR-Raven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,558	Yes. I am the lord and savior Jesus Christ. This is my actual religious belief.
AR-Raven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,558

11-21-2009, 05:06 PM	#12
Jesterfoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7,470	why has every recent poll had hidden results? btw no I do not

11-21-2009, 05:26 PM	#13
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471	I really enjoy this show:
Santiago Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,471

11-21-2009, 05:50 PM	#14
Mabdog Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,670	yeah.. it's a good show. I don't believe anything said in the bible. I think the whole thing is complete bullshit. Whether or not it was written with good intentions or not, it's too dangerous. It causes too much conflict, and can be interpreted in many different ways. I personally don't believe there's some higher being or god. Saying yes to this question isn't saying that you are a christian or that you believe in the bible.. The question is "do you believe in god".. which can mean any religion or philosophy. I think quite a few of you answered no with christianity/catholocism in mind. For all of you who said no: how do you think this world started?
Mabdog Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,670

11-21-2009, 06:21 PM	#15
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	I don't believe in Bible God. Its been proven that thought and love come from evolution, so without anything to come before it, it would be ridiculous for thought and love, especially in any form that we know it, to exist and then create the entire cosmos. Then of course theres the thousands of things in the bible that are ridiculous and contradict science. Now if you want to read the bible symbolically or metaphorically and want to call the universe, nature, or a general metaphysical awe "God" then sure I'll say I believe. I don't have any gripes with people that believe, I used to believe that we'd be better off converting all of them to atheism, but I was an angsty black metal nerd. I think that we all have our way of connecting with that sense of awe when we think of the universe and our place in it, except some people who just don't seem to care which is fine too. But I'm constantly thinking about the big questions like "what does life mean" or "what is all of this," and for me thats really my way of understanding reality and existence. Growing up in a religious environment would be stifling for my thoughts and I'm sure I'd have a lot less understanding of my place in life. Some people don't think like that so their way of understand the world and reality is through believing in a mythology, which thats perfectly fine I think as long as they don't impose on government or act out violently. I wouldn't want to take that away from them, just as I wouldn't want them to impose their metaphysical ideas on me. There are also a lot of religious people who think that without religion people have no morals, and I'm beginning to believe that for a lot of people, especially those who believe that particular idea, it might actually be true. I don't really have any evidence of that, but it seems like such an absurd thought to me that I don't really understand how they could believe it unless by knowing that that is the way that themselves are built. Also I had a Mormon friend who over the years left his religion and then got deep into drugs and all sorts of terrible behavior, and yeah thats not proof, I don't believe in this 100%, I'm just speculating on why some people might turn to relgion. Another good aspect of religion is the community. Its a good social thing that keeps people of the community together and talking with each other (of course I know there are extremist muslims who oppress their people and fundamentalist mormons who are also abused, but by and large the average joe schmoe churches in your local town are good people). Actually I think some people who just don't really think or care much about the big deep questions might even turn to religion for the community aspect alone and not give the complete overhaul of beliefs much thought, which is also fine I think because its not like much bad comes from it, since those people probably won't turn to an extremist religion. This is an extremely good show, I recommend all the episodes.
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

11-21-2009, 06:50 PM	#18
Rabid Dinosaur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,894	No.

11-21-2009, 07:41 PM	#20
Liam Brocklehurst Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,143	No.

11-21-2009, 06:56 PM	#21
James McCloud Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,214	im not a big fan of theists or atheists.

11-21-2009, 07:46 PM	#22
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768	I dunno sometimes I get my head bitten off when I say this, but I think it's pretty ignorant to believe in God definitely or not believe definitely
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768

11-21-2009, 08:28 PM	#23
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	Explain yourself then. About the not believing, since I agree with the former.
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

11-22-2009, 07:57 AM	#25
Michael Jeffrey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,580	That's what I hate about agnosticism, it's seen as a fence sitting belief, when really it's the only option. Logic dictates that logic can't understand god.