is america straight up retarded?

[Andres]

four years ago the world collectively did this
when america elected george w bush, a humongous moron. a hurricane debacle, thousands of lost lives in war, and an unlimited amount of corruption scandals later, america's race for president is at a dead heat with this moron (pictured here celebrating with a cake as hurricane katrina did its magic) obtaining like 40something percent of the vote.

my question is, is america straight up retarded? or just racist? i can't think of any country where a political party has been this goddamn inept and NOT lost popular support and lost miserably at elections for years.

[Cypjaxion]

Andres, you're obviously more informed in American politics than most and I enjoy using your posts as a secondary source of news concerning the democratic side of American politics, but posts like these paint you as moronic crusader rather than the holder of any informed opinion. Stop.

[Andres]

never.

[Cypjaxion]

[Pirate Balloon]

answer: a little of a, and a little of b

[Shaun]

I know four people who are voting for McCain and they are all kind of racist.

[Shaun]

Too bad it's controversial to implement some kind of political intelligence test that you need to take in order to vote.

[Breed]

I have one friend who is a republican, he is more for the policies than anything else, he's intelligent, he knows what he wants, thats fine right?

on the other hand I have a friend who is a republican because she was raised that way. She is not very smart. Not fine.

Not saying there aren't dems that aren't smart, but there are a LOT of kids who are raised republicans, especially here in Arizona -- it seems right to assume most republicans are raised that way while democratic parents would let their kids choose, no?

Maybe I am being bias, shrug, but it bugs the hell out of me when my friend is a republican for no goddamn reason other than her parents told her it was right, and even more when I know she's not the only one

[Orcus]

She's the bitch who got pregnant, right?

[Ben Rice]

The government over here is pretty fucking dumb aswell.

[NearHi]

Originally Posted by Tom Breed

I have one friend who is a republican, he is more for the policies than anything else, he's intelligent, he knows what he wants, thats fine right?

on the other hand I have a friend who is a republican because she was raised that way. She is not very smart. Not fine.

Not saying there aren't dems that aren't smart, but there are a LOT of kids who are raised republicans, especially here in Arizona -- it seems right to assume most republicans are raised that way while democratic parents would let their kids choose, no?

Maybe I am being bias, shrug, but it bugs the hell out of me when my friend is a republican for no goddamn reason other than her parents told her it was right, and even more when I know she's not the only one

I was raised a total hippie Democrat but as I grew up I started to see things on my own. I am now an Independent. I have views and beliefs that businesses have free enterprise and should be allowed to run just as freely as they have and not have to keep getting more and more taxes taken away from them, but the humanitarian in me (the Democrate) thinks that peopl/workers should be taken care of by the business they worked for because they helped make the company what it was. I also believe in public healthcare and school and welfare reform.

I think a big issue, to me at least, is just people thinking with morals too much. Abortion, Church, Gays and Family are not things that can make a country successful, but it seems to be the only things that people sway votes on.

[Compcat]

We used to be smart (just consider all the accomplishments we've made since this country was first began, without a doubt we are the most important country of the 20th century), but at some point we decided that the rest of the world was right, we need to get rid of freedom, forcing the will of the majority upon the minority, what we're voting for now is whether that will is forced mostly on us or mostly on other nations.

[NearHi]

and it's going to suck.

[Crazy Ivan]

To be fair, you probably couldn't ask for a more centrist and moderate Republican than John McCain, at least not one that would be anything approaching electable. It's Sarah Palin that scares the crap out of me. I don't really want anyone who believes strongly that armageddon is inevitably forthcoming to also be the person with the power to start it.

[Crazy Ivan]

Originally Posted by Compcat

at some point we decided that the rest of the world was right, we need to get rid of freedom, forcing the will of the majority upon the minority, what we're voting for now is whether that will is forced mostly on us or mostly on other nations.

Sorry but couldn't ignore the idiocy of this post. What the fuck are you talking about.

[Andres]

[Andres]

just gonna keep posting this

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Compcat

We used to be smart (just consider all the accomplishments we've made since this country was first began, without a doubt we are the most important country of the 20th century), but at some point we decided that the rest of the world was right, we need to get rid of freedom, forcing the will of the majority upon the minority, what we're voting for now is whether that will is forced mostly on us or mostly on other nations.

america has been "getting rid of freedom" from others for the entire 20th century, what the fuck are you talking about? what do you mean "at some point"? that's your country's entire existence.

[Andres]

Peter come the fuck on, McCain isn't a moderate. He's a corrupt, grotesquely rich, sellout piece of shit who let George W Bush take a shit inside his mouth and ate it happily just to get a chance to run again in 2008.

[Crazy Ivan]

I agree with you on him being a greedy sellout, but anyone running a serious campaign for president has to be a greedy sellout, otherwise the personal compromises one must make to be a contender for the job wouldn't justify the ends. The real saints stay community organizers, because that's the best place to actually affect real, observable change. As for the moderate comment, I said:

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan

at least not one that would be anything approaching electable

He's the most moderate of any Republican that could have competed with Obama given the current state of the Republican party, so he was the natural candidate for them to gravitate towards. I just desperately cling to my memories of John McCain circa 1998, and hope that those tendencies comes out a little bit if he does end up getting elected. It's the only thing keeping me sane. Do I think he would be good for the country if elected? No, that doesn't fit my image of the direction I'd like to see America head. But he's a far sight better than every other Republican that ran during the primaries, I'll give him that.

[Andres]

Damning with faint praise.

[Andres]

jesus christ how did they even let this person inside

[Anthropophagus]

I think a lot of people a) don't know who to vote for out of ignorance, and don't trust what sources they do explore (me), or b) legitimately are racist, stupid, or a combination of the two.

[Aaron Haynes]

Originally Posted by Crazy Ivan

But he's a far sight better than every other Republican that ran during the primaries, I'll give him that.

Only on policy, and even then, you have any number of issues he has horrible policies for, or doesn't fully understand. He thinks we'll be able to have Germany-style bases in Iraq relatively soon, and it's okay if we don't reduce our presence there because of that. He still opposes timetables for withdrawl, something the Bush administration finally agreed to (they called them "time horizons"). He's joked about bombing Iran. He had to have Joe Lieberman remind him that Iran isn't training al Qaeda forces and sending them into Iraq, while on camera -- then repeated the claim the next day anyway. He's referred to the "Iraq-Pakistan border".

That's just foreign policy. He's completely reversed his position on gay marriage and abortion to fit the party line. He wants to take the Bush tax cuts even farther (after opposing them as recently as 2003). In 2000 he referred to Jerry Falwell as an 'agent of intolerance'; in 2006, he gave the commencement address at Falwell's Liberty University. He isn't even as committed to alternative energy as his ads claim. His energy plan contains no money for renewable energy, his speeches contain no details about how he wants to implement it, and he's said elsewhere that they probably won't be "as much of the solution as some people think."

I liked this guy a few years back too, but he really isn't as moderate or centrist as his reputation implies. He's been reshaping his policies and rhetoric for the past four years in preparation for this presidential run. Apart from a few throwaway policy differences, he's adopted their platform, their interest groups, and their election tactics.

(I read your post a little more clearly and it seems that you realize all this, but I'd already typed up most of the reply, so I'm posting it anyway).

[Zaquis]

me? i don't trust that obama fella. mccain was a POW. did you know that? i bet he has some wild stories to tell you over a few beers. mccain really relates to me. and that palin chick! wowzers! what a babe!