Okay... I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to politics

[Daniel Debonair]

So I won't try to act like I know much of anything.... but does it not seem INSANE that this Sarah Palin lady might be the U.S's VP? I mean........ fuck.... She was on the PTA board. That's her credentials!?!?!? The PTA!?!?! Mother fuck. Alaska. Mayor. Basketball coach. Hockey mom. We're fuckin dead. ::cue college kids cheering "USA" like monkeys::

[Bown]

There is a whole big thread about this two (three once I reply) threads below this one.

[Whitey]

Don't just gloss over the fact that she was a governor. Not only that, the governor with the highest approval rating in America. Other former Governors? Bush, Clinton, Reagan...should I keep going?

Now look for precedent in Presidential history for a Senator of two years who has become President (not simply VP). I'll wait.

[Bobby Swisha]

Sarah Palin is going to be the reason McCain loses this election.

[Slime]

just watched like 5 minutes of republican convention, hahah @ drill baby drill chant, wtf

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Whitey

Don't just gloss over the fact that she was a governor. Not only that, the governor with the highest approval rating in America. Other former Governors? Bush, Clinton, Reagan...should I keep going?

Now look for precedent in Presidential history for a Senator of two years who has become President (not simply VP). I'll wait.

do you ever get tired of repeating the standard right-wing rag nonsense? this is what every two-bit moron has been forced to parade around in news and interviews, and it certainly didn't get better as an argument today.


b...but...but... SHE HAS MORE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE THAN OBAMA AND BIDEN COMBINED!!!! LOL

what kind of argument is saying "other governors include x, y, z"? the overwhelming majority of u.s. presidents are either former senators or former governors or former generals. no fucking kidding that you can pick and choose some governors.

she was governor of fucking alaska. who gives a shit about goddamn alaska. what the fuck does running alaska have to do with america? her judgment is poor. her ideas are terrible. she was picked after a phone call interview, because she's a gimmick pick. the half-spirited defenses against her are awful. oh her state is the one closest to russia that means she has foreign policy experience. oh she has executive experience that means she's better than obama and biden (by extension, mccain too). oh im gonna recycle boring right-wing talking points that not even the right-wing genuinely believes (see Peggy Noonan).

[Andres]

seriously man can't you even, for once, have a goddamn opinion on your own? can't you, for the love of god, just admit how shitty this pick is instead of scouring through whatever it is you read and seeing what the consensus/party line is today?

[Whitey]

No, it's not a shitty pick. What you need to understand is that Palin's views coincide with what conservatives believe. McCain wasn't going after your "America deserves another 911" vote, Andres. Republicans are thrilled with the pick not because it's a gimmick, not simply because she's a woman, but rather because she stands for what they believe in. Part of her appeal is the fact that she could be the first female VP, just like part of Obama's appeal is that he could be the first black President. But for both of them, it's just a slight part. Mostly these two candidates are popular for their beliefs and obvious charisma.

All you're giving are the same boring left-wing talking points. So don't get all preachy on me. "She's a gimmick pick"; "McCain didn't really know her"...blah blah. I could listen to you, or I could turn on MSNBC. Real original shit, Andres. Don't you ever have an original thought?

All I'm saying...there's precedent for some sort of significant political background when it comes to running for President.

Dubya - Former Governor
Clinton - Former Governor
Bush - Former VP
Reagan - Former Governor
Carter - Former Governor
Ford - Former VP, Former House Minority Leader
Nixon - Former VP
LBJ - Former VP, Former Senate Majority Leader

The last 8 Presidents are either former VPs, former Governors, or have held a significant leadership position. Does Palin stack up to these resumes yet? No. But to argue that this VP pick is insane, irrational, irresponsible...all while having Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee is beyond absurd. I can buy the argument that their experience is comparable and similar, and perhaps even entertain the idea that Obama is slightly more prepared at this point to be in the White House. But to act like Obama has significantly more experience and is significantly more prepared than Palin is ridiculous. And if you want to get down the the brass tax of it...going after Palin for her inexperience is a clever distraction, since clearly McCain is infinitely more qualified than Obama to be President. So let's attack his #2 instead, call her a bad mom, scoff at the fact that she was only a mayor of a small town, use her newborn baby and 17 year old daughter as fucking political playing chips. Stay classy, Democrats.

[Compcat]

Originally Posted by Andres

seriously man can't you even, for once, have a goddamn opinion on your own? can't you, for the love of god, just admit how shitty this pick is instead of scouring through whatever it is you read and seeing what the consensus/party line is today?

I'm sorry to break it to you, Andres, but you are the Whitey of liberalism.

[KC Vikander]

I find it fascinating how quickly most republicans I see and encounter on a daily basis have just eaten up the Palin rhetoric and HONESTLY feel she's a solid choice. Unless there was a secret meeting where you all sat down and said "okay, this was bullshit, but we can't just give up, so lets PRETEND she is the best pick for VP"

They needed to find a good choice, because the odds of McCain keeling over in office is good, and Sarah Palin is the last person I would want stepping up and taking over.

[Air Rick]

i've been tuning in and out of the republican convention, and I watched parts of it on Tuesday...and truthfully no one looked wowed...they all pretty much looked subdued...

[Whitey]

Last night was different...people were going nuts for Rudy and Palin. A lot more energy in the room on Wednesday than on Tuesday.

[KC Vikander]

Originally Posted by Whitey

All you're giving are the same boring left-wing talking points. So don't get all preachy on me. "She's a gimmick pick"; "McCain didn't really know her"...blah blah. I could listen to you, or I could turn on MSNBC. Real original shit, Andres. Don't you ever have an original thought?

But what you don't understand is the left wing talking points are relevant, where as the Republican's defense is stretched and thin. very very thin.

"many years administrative experience" - Yeah, on a city council of some bumfuck town in Alaska. Not even Anchorage, but some shitty town of 5,000. Yeah, great experience there.

"Governor of Alaska" - She hasn't even hit the two year mark with that. At least Obama/Biden have SOLID YEARS of experience in LEGISLATURE, not the governor of the 48th most populated state. Remember, that's out of 50 states.

She has the same views/beliefs as the party, blah blah blah. Who gives a shit about her VIEWS. I could pull some jackass off the street who thought about the same things Palin does. It doesn't mask the fact that she has very little experience (lol hypocrisy repubs), and that little experience is bullshit. She MINORED in Political Science. FROM IDAHO STATE.

Can't you be HONEST for a second, and just admit that there are BETTER CHOICES than Sarah Palin? She was a desperate attempt to get the spotlight off of Obama. I can admit they did a good job at stealing his thunder for 48 hours, but now that people don't give a shit anymore, McCain will still lose this election.

[Lord Trasher]

Originally Posted by Whitey

[Air Rick]

one thing that was pretty funny (and I don't know if it's still like this) but they had the podium in front of this giant screen, and once in a while they'd put a picture up behind the speaker, and cut to a wide shot, and it would look like there was a 30-foot McCain standing over the podium..

[Whitey]

McCain is irrefutably more qualified to be President than Obama. McCain has significantly more experience in foreign affairs, military affairs, and virtually every other aspect of politics.

Obama is running against John McCain.

Thoughts?

[Lord Blazer]

John McCain was a POW.

Obama is probably a muslim.

Thoughts?

[Bowman]

If Republicans truly made the choice based on conservative credentials & executive experience, they would have chosen Mitt Romney. The proof that this is a gimmick is right there. The only advantage Palin had over Romney is that he's a Mormon & the evangelicals were already getting annoyed. But other than that, every excuse the GOP is using to justify Palin applies to Mitt Romney by, like, a factor of 10.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Whitey

No, it's not a shitty pick. What you need to understand is that Palin's views coincide with what conservatives believe. McCain wasn't going after your "America deserves another 911" vote, Andres.

McCain picked her in a rush, with minimal vetting, a few days after Obama announced that his VP wasn't going to be Clinton, a few days after releasing a pathetic ad with some actress pretending to be a Hillary voter for McCain, after the word on the street had been that he wanted more socially moderate candidates. Yeah, right. It's pretty obvious what happened, especially after the whole "pregnant teen daughter" thing came out. That story is the perfect example of what a shitty process they underwent to make her the candidate, whether you want to admit it or not.

Now you and every other boring Republican hack who pretends he/she has a mind of his/her own is trying to defend this obviously shitty pick by appealing to terrible arguments.

Republicans are thrilled with the pick not because it's a gimmick, not simply because she's a woman, but rather because she stands for what they believe in.

I'm not saying Republicans like her because she is a gimmick candidate, I am saying she is a gimmick candidate. You don't have to like her or hate her to accept that fact. She is a candidate McCain's campaign chose because they wanted to obtain some votes from women (the elusive Clinton voters) and because McCain gave up/wasn't allowed to select someone more independent/moderate.

This is patently obvious. There is no one in his or her right mind who denies this. McCain has been trying to court Senator Clinton's fanbase for a long time. He has released ads trying to court them. Now he picks a woman to see if some of them fall for the bait.

Part of her appeal is the fact that she could be the first female VP, just like part of Obama's appeal is that he could be the first black President. But for both of them, it's just a slight part. Mostly these two candidates are popular for their beliefs and obvious charisma.

Palin has been under the watchful eye of the media for all but six days so far. No one had any clue who she was. Most people's knowledge of her on Friday or Saturday was almost non-existent (beyond an acceptance speech), and you're going to try to tell me what, that everyone just realized on Friday how intensely charismatic she is and jumped on the opportunity? Don't try to pretend this is true. Barack Obama's popular because of his charisma since people have seen his speeches and read his books since the convention four years ago. He had time to hone that. People hadn't seen almost anything of Palin near the beginning of this week, but again, every tired hack was already saying such and such and oh isn't she great. Hogwash.


All you're giving are the same boring left-wing talking points. So don't get all preachy on me. "She's a gimmick pick"; "McCain didn't really know her"...blah blah. I could listen to you, or I could turn on MSNBC. Real original shit, Andres. Don't you ever have an original thought?[/quote]

I don't think you "get" it. The point isn't just that you repeat boring right-wing talking points (which you do, all the time), it's that your boring right-wing talking points aren't even remotely good arguments, ever.

Case in point, this nonsense you posted here.

She is a Governor. Alright, so what? I don't see anything in her record that screams "holy shit, that is tremendously impressive". I don't see anything in her judgment that says "that's impressive". She's a moron who thinks creationism should be taught in schools. Her policies about abortion are insane. She wanted to have books banned. She is a small town yokel and an opportunistic cretin.

No. But to argue that this VP pick is insane, irrational, irresponsible...all while having Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee is beyond absurd.

That's your party's argument you nitwit. Your candidate John McCain is the moron who makes ads about how it is such a danger to give Obama the presidency because he is untested. Your candidate is the one making a big fuss about how experience is everything and Obama is just some kid. Your candidate. Your candidate. Your strategy.

Do you not understand the context of these arguments or something? The context of these arguments is that after John McCain spent all summer saying that Obama wasn't qualified, that he was much older and experienced and thus more qualified, he goes and picks as his replacement someone less qualified than Obama.

You people have no shame. Now it's gone from "Obama is not experienced" to "Obama is equally experienced as the reactionary moron we're running as VP".

I can buy the argument that their experience is comparable and similar, and perhaps even entertain the idea that Obama is slightly more prepared at this point to be in the White House. But to act like Obama has significantly more experience and is significantly more prepared than Palin is ridiculous.

You can "entertain" the idea that someone who is completely removed from Washington and whose main achievement is being the governor of a state with no people in it is only slightly less prepared? You can "entertain" the idea that some person with a Bachelor's Degree should be the leader of the United States? Obama doesn't just have more political experience, Ryan. He can run intellectual circles around this moron (and around McCain too, for that matter). Your party voted for a moron whose claim to political fame is that he got shot while bombing innocent people in a grotesque imperialist war, and he picked as his possible replacement a right-wing moron from some cold hellhole in the middle of nowhere. This is who you end up defending. For God's sake, you already ended up defending "having only a Bachelor's degree in this day and age" as a good thing a few days ago. You have no shame.

And if you want to get down the the brass tax of it...going after Palin for her inexperience is a clever distraction, since clearly McCain is infinitely more qualified than Obama to be President.

How's John McCain more qualified than Obama? Because he's sat his ass on Senate long? His judgment is pathetic. He's a member of the Keating Five. He's a piece of shit sellout who ate the assholes of every right-wing christian cunt in America after having denounced them previously. He allowed himself to be trampled by George W Bush's campaign managers, then hugged him and played nice to save his miserable political career. He voted for the war in Iraq, still thinks it was a good idea, still thinks all those dead iraqis were worth it, doesn't know even the most basic things about Iraq (can't tell apart Sunnis and Shiites). His academic record is a joke. He broke the campaign finance reform laws that he himself passed. This is who you think is "infinitely more qualified": a moron. You are a member of the party of morons and anti-intellectualism, and you are willing to defend them to unreasonable levels.
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So let's attack his #2 instead, call her a bad mom, scoff at the fact that she was only a mayor of a small town, use her newborn baby and 17 year old daughter as fucking political playing chips. Stay classy, Democrats.

Stay classy, Democrats. I saw your convention last night, and Rudi Giuliani said that the people who would be offended by the word "islamic terrorists" would be the terrorists. This is "classy" to you. Having one of the most wealthy men to run for President, Romney, bitching about the "elites", when his goddamn job was basically to cut people's jobs to make companies profitable, is "classy". Parading being a prisoner of war as a get-out-of-jail-free card is "classy". Barack Obama, of course, said that Palin's family is off-limits, but feel free to ignore that and live in your bullshit fantasy land.

You can keep doing that, or you can look at the context, again. The context is that McCain's moronic campaign picked a vacuous retard they hadn't even properly vetted, and almost immediately things that should have been known and would have meant her never getting the nomination are coming out, i.e. the secessionist party and the unwed pregnant teen daughter thing.

If you want to pretend this doesn't reflect poorly on McCain, and his intentions and competence, feel free. But everyone here knows you'd defend that war fag if he bombed Iran one, his second day of office, you tremendously boring shill.

[Matt McGowan]

Originally Posted by Whitey

Republicans are thrilled with the pick not because it's a gimmick, not simply because she's a woman, but rather because she stands for what they believe in.

Anyone from any party will seem like they 'stand for what their party believes in' when they have a camera shoved in their face.

[Andres]

Originally Posted by Whitey

McCain is irrefutably more qualified to be President than Obama. McCain has significantly more experience in foreign affairs, military affairs, and virtually every other aspect of politics.

Obama is running against John McCain.

Thoughts?

John McCain picked a potential successor that is less qualified than his opponent. John McCain obviously doesn't even believe this argument you're peddling, otherwise he would have picked someone with more credentials.



Do you understand this? Your own candidate doesn't believe his own stupid argument.

[Andres]

John McCain's foreign affairs experience: having Joe Lieberman explain to him in mid-speech that what is saying is completely wrong and him having to pathetically correct himself about the grotesque inaccuracies he was spouting.


This is what the GOP tries to pass of as being "experienced". Experienced about being wrong about everything.

[Andres]

This is who John "earmarks" McCain picked as VP

http://www.washingtonindependent.com...ks-we-did-well

[Matt McGowan]

Though not the best place to get information from (but it's information nonetheless), The Daily Show was talking about how she decided to let her daughter chose what she wanted to do with the baby while she was pregnant. She didn't force anything on her, she let her daughter make up her own mind. While at the same time, she wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.

So it's fine to let her daughter have a choice, then force one on every other American?

[KC Vikander]

Originally Posted by Whitey

McCain is irrefutably more qualified to be President than Obama. McCain has significantly more experience in foreign affairs, military affairs, and virtually every other aspect of politics.

Obama is running against John McCain.

Thoughts?

lol no. you could argue that Bush would be more qualified than Obama, and look what happened there.