The Death Penalty is BULLSHIT

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 06:10 AM

Penn and Teller's Bullshit: the Death Penalty

I just started this episode, so I haven't commentary yet.
In the meantime, what do you think of the death penalty. Before being brain washed by Penn Teller, I'll say what I think. I think that no matter WHAT somebody has done, no matter how heinous it is, killing them is immoral, SCARY, and absolutely disgusting. The death penalty needs to be abolished. How barbaric that we still do this.

Rabid Dinosaur · 07-13-2008, 06:15 AM

I think so too.

Orcus · 07-13-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Garfield

I think that no matter WHAT somebody has done, no matter how heinous it is, killing them is immoral, SCARY, and absolutely disgusting. The death penalty needs to be abolished. How barbaric that we still do this.

So killing a 8.5 month pregnant lady who was pleading for the life of her child is still not grounds for getting killed yourself is A-OK?

Andres · 07-13-2008, 07:20 AM

Jason Ruiz · 07-13-2008, 07:21 AM

I used to not believe in the death penalty. But then there's people like Andrea Yates. Who escaped the death penalty by reason of insanity.

This is the woman who, 7 years ago, killed all five of her kids by drowning them individually in the bathtub. The last kid actually tried to escape from his batshit crazy mother once he saw all of his siblings surrounding the shit and piss filled bathtub, but she chased him around the house and caught him and drowned him.

This woman needs to die.

Let's also not forget that one bitch who locked her kids in the car and drove them into the river so that she could leave her family behind and marry some other dude.

This woman also needs to die.

But somehow, these people are allowed to co-exist with me. What kind of fucked up shit is that?

Andres · 07-13-2008, 07:23 AM

Why do they need to die?

Especially those two examples.

Jason Ruiz · 07-13-2008, 07:28 AM

Because they're still alive.

Orcus · 07-13-2008, 07:28 AM

Andres, I respect you but I'm confused. Without a longass post explaining your position why do you agree with not killing these people?

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcus

Andres, I respect you but I'm confused. Without a longass post explaining your position why do you agree with not killing these people?

I'll tell you why. It's a very VERY simple explanation, but it requires you to look deep into your heart, and your mind, and to be very logical and honest with yourself.

If somebody kills somebody, they are a murderer, right? So... you kill them to punish them, right? THAT MAKES YOU A MURDERER. It's a paradox. It's one that tricks people's minds, that's why I said you have to think about it. Executing murderers is MURDER and those who execute murderers should be murdered for commiting murder. It's called hypocracy.

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:40 AM

Plus it's evil. Murdering people is evil, and to murder them for murdering isn't just hypocritical,

It's idiotic

In addition, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY I believe that it too is murder, but irregardless, I'm made to pay for it with my tax money? That makes me more then angry, that makes me sick to my stomach.

Fuck! Why not just watch the episode? It's only 29 minutes long. And it's intelligent and will explain everything.

Andres · 07-13-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcus

Andres, I respect you but I'm confused. Without a longass post explaining your position why do you agree with not killing these people?

Why don't you explain to me why they should be killed.

Jason Ruiz · 07-13-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Garfield

If somebody kills somebody, they are a murderer, right? So... you kill them to punish them, right? THAT MAKES YOU A MURDERER.

So? I'll pull the lever, I don't care. (I say lever, because my two examples deserve the electric chair. Not lethal injection.)

Michael Sandford · 07-13-2008, 07:42 AM

I personally think that drowning 5 kids and killing a person who drowned 5 kids is very different. but then again I don't know alot about the death penalty

Bown · 07-13-2008, 07:42 AM

I have mixed feelings on the death penalty, but if they ever wanted to re-establish it in the UK and held a vote, I'd probably vote against it.

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Ruiz

So? I'll pull the lever, I don't care. (I say lever, because my two examples deserve the electric chair. Not lethal injection.)

I like you, and we'll probably be hanging out in the coming weeks, asI am in LA a lot and jon steel done invited me to, so I will try not to offend you, but volunteering to TAKE A PERSON'S LIFE regardless of what they've done makes you sound evil. Can you not see that? btw, I'm sure you were joking, but in case you weren't.... yeah....

Andres · 07-13-2008, 07:43 AM

Daniel, are you high or something?

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:44 AM

lol. I'm a little drunk, why do you ask that?

Orcus · 07-13-2008, 07:45 AM

A very good point. I want to think there are two types of murder though, a murder out of pure senselessness (Yates) and a murder out of necessity (killing people that murder others). Do you equate the two or do you have the latter be punishment that needs to be administered? To me people that murder people by accident (manslaughter I guess) deserve a lesser punishment than people that purposely decided to kill other people. People that kill other people purposely need to be either locked up indefinitely so they can't interact with any other humans or killed outright for safety sake.

Jason Ruiz · 07-13-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Andres

Daniel, are you high or something?

Hahaha

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:46 AM

People who killed other people by accident in many cases shouldn't be punished at all, as it was an accident. And locking people up for the rest of their lives is fucked up, but absolutely positively the RIGHT and ONLY thing to do. The death penalty is immoral.

Daniel Debonair · 07-13-2008, 07:48 AM

Jon Steele is in fact Jesterfoot's name right? Or am I confused?

Andres · 07-13-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Orcus

People that kill other people purposely need to be either locked up indefinitely so they can't interact with any other humans or killed outright for safety sake.

Do you think the people who are executed were so dangerous that somehow, being in jail wasn't enough? We HAD to kill them for safety's sake?

Because that's not really the basis for executions at all, the basis is a retributive justice system.

Orcus · 07-13-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andres

Why don't you explain to me why they should be killed.

I guess it's a matter of keeping them locked up or not. In the case I presented I believe that killing a person because "they were tired of hearing them plead" is grounds for either death or a tortoureous slow death as punishment. Then again if you feel that being locked up until they die is similar punishment I can sort of agree.

Jason Ruiz · 07-13-2008, 07:53 AM

I believe that there is no afterlife. I believe that this life is the only form of consciousness we have, and that when we die, there's nothing.

That said, I don't enjoy the fact that people can co-exist in a world with me when they've murdered (their five kids) or they've murdered (their two kids.) I'm using those two examples adamantly, because those are the real only two examples I feel that adamant about. Sure, there's millions of different cases that are gray area, in which case- the death penalty should not be used.

BUT...

Allowing Andrea Yates to live allows her to enjoy things. Andrea Yates can STILL masturbate and have an orgasm the same way I do. That shit is NOT cool. The fact that these people get to have a single moment of happiness should NOT be allowed. So just end that shit. Besides, it's not like Andrea Yates is re-inventing the fucking wheel in her prison cell. What, is she gonna come out of prison like, "Look! I invented a WARMER blanket!" No, she's gonna sit in her cell and jerk off till she dies. Fucking cunt.

Bitch needs to die.

Orcus · 07-13-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Garfield

People who killed other people by accident in many cases shouldn't be punished at all, as it was an accident. And locking people up for the rest of their lives is fucked up, but absolutely positively the RIGHT and ONLY thing to do. The death penalty is immoral.

I was trying hard not to mention accidental. In that case (manslaughter for most cases) I would examine it case by case and deal with it that way. Purposeful murder compared to accident is definitely completely different.

07-13-2008, 06:10 AM	#1
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	The Death Penalty is BULLSHIT Penn and Teller's Bullshit: the Death Penalty I just started this episode, so I haven't commentary yet. In the meantime, what do you think of the death penalty. Before being brain washed by Penn Teller, I'll say what I think. I think that no matter WHAT somebody has done, no matter how heinous it is, killing them is immoral, SCARY, and absolutely disgusting. The death penalty needs to be abolished. How barbaric that we still do this.
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07-13-2008, 07:20 AM	#4
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	Yup.
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07-13-2008, 07:23 AM	#6
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	Why do they need to die? Especially those two examples.
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07-13-2008, 07:28 AM	#8
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	Andres, I respect you but I'm confused. Without a longass post explaining your position why do you agree with not killing these people?
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

07-13-2008, 07:40 AM	#10
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	Plus it's evil. Murdering people is evil, and to murder them for murdering isn't just hypocritical, It's idiotic In addition, I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY I believe that it too is murder, but irregardless, I'm made to pay for it with my tax money? That makes me more then angry, that makes me sick to my stomach. Fuck! Why not just watch the episode? It's only 29 minutes long. And it's intelligent and will explain everything.
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988

07-13-2008, 06:15 AM	#2
Rabid Dinosaur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,894	I think so too.

07-13-2008, 07:21 AM	#5
Jason Ruiz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,975	I used to not believe in the death penalty. But then there's people like Andrea Yates. Who escaped the death penalty by reason of insanity. This is the woman who, 7 years ago, killed all five of her kids by drowning them individually in the bathtub. The last kid actually tried to escape from his batshit crazy mother once he saw all of his siblings surrounding the shit and piss filled bathtub, but she chased him around the house and caught him and drowned him. This woman needs to die. Let's also not forget that one bitch who locked her kids in the car and drove them into the river so that she could leave her family behind and marry some other dude. This woman also needs to die. But somehow, these people are allowed to co-exist with me. What kind of fucked up shit is that?

07-13-2008, 07:42 AM	#13
Michael Sandford Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 919	I personally think that drowning 5 kids and killing a person who drowned 5 kids is very different. but then again I don't know alot about the death penalty
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07-13-2008, 07:42 AM	#14
Bown Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18,740	I have mixed feelings on the death penalty, but if they ever wanted to re-establish it in the UK and held a vote, I'd probably vote against it.
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07-13-2008, 07:43 AM	#16
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	Daniel, are you high or something?
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07-13-2008, 07:44 AM	#17
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	lol. I'm a little drunk, why do you ask that?
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07-13-2008, 07:45 AM	#18
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146	A very good point. I want to think there are two types of murder though, a murder out of pure senselessness (Yates) and a murder out of necessity (killing people that murder others). Do you equate the two or do you have the latter be punishment that needs to be administered? To me people that murder people by accident (manslaughter I guess) deserve a lesser punishment than people that purposely decided to kill other people. People that kill other people purposely need to be either locked up indefinitely so they can't interact with any other humans or killed outright for safety sake.
Orcus Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,146

07-13-2008, 07:46 AM	#20
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	People who killed other people by accident in many cases shouldn't be punished at all, as it was an accident. And locking people up for the rest of their lives is fucked up, but absolutely positively the RIGHT and ONLY thing to do. The death penalty is immoral.
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988

07-13-2008, 07:48 AM	#21
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	Jon Steele is in fact Jesterfoot's name right? Or am I confused?
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07-13-2008, 07:53 AM	#24
Jason Ruiz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,975	I believe that there is no afterlife. I believe that this life is the only form of consciousness we have, and that when we die, there's nothing. That said, I don't enjoy the fact that people can co-exist in a world with me when they've murdered (their five kids) or they've murdered (their two kids.) I'm using those two examples adamantly, because those are the real only two examples I feel that adamant about. Sure, there's millions of different cases that are gray area, in which case- the death penalty should not be used. BUT... Allowing Andrea Yates to live allows her to enjoy things. Andrea Yates can STILL masturbate and have an orgasm the same way I do. That shit is NOT cool. The fact that these people get to have a single moment of happiness should NOT be allowed. So just end that shit. Besides, it's not like Andrea Yates is re-inventing the fucking wheel in her prison cell. What, is she gonna come out of prison like, "Look! I invented a WARMER blanket!" No, she's gonna sit in her cell and jerk off till she dies. Fucking cunt. Bitch needs to die.