are you proud of being american?

Andres · 07-02-2008, 05:40 AM

yes/no?

Shaun · 06:07 AM

mostly ashamed.

especially when I hear shitty songs like "This is ourrrr counnntry!" are the political anthem for the anti-immigration movement. Nobody's allowed into our country because this is OUR country. And ya'll are terrorists. Yet we're the ones that killed 100 million indians because we were pissed off they were IN OUR SPOT!

Slime · 07-02-2008, 05:55 AM

no. we are assholes to the rest of the world. we use our military too much which is especially embarrassing.

Compcat · 07-02-2008, 06:03 AM

no, but I hate shitheads who say, "well if your not proud to be an american then GET OUT!," or people who do actually get out because they "hate america." if you got a problem with your country, then as a citizen of that country it is your responsibility to help fix the problem. now that said, I am proud that most of the awesome modern technological things came out of my country.

Shaun · 07-02-2008, 06:13 AM

Americans have the best accent.

Compcat · 07-02-2008, 06:15 AM

howdy ya'll!

Pizza The Hut · 07-02-2008, 06:57 AM

Eh, not really. I'm not really proud of any inherent quality about myself I didn't choose; I was born here.

Daniel Debonair · 07-02-2008, 08:24 AM

I LOVE it here. I hate a lot of the shit my government does, but I LOOOOOVE it here. Even being poor as shit, you can make your life into whatever you want here, and really, nobody is going to stand in your way.

Rabid Dinosaur · 07-02-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pizza The Hut

Eh, not really. I'm not really proud of any inherent quality about myself I didn't choose; I was born here.

I feel lucky to have been born here, though.

Pizza The Hut · 07-02-2008, 08:29 AM

Yes, I do too, but that is different than being proud, right? If not, then I'm proud.

Oh wait, you were just adding on, WEREN'T YA.

Rabid Dinosaur · 07-02-2008, 08:30 AM

Right, I think so. I was agreeing with you.

Andres · 07-02-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Garfield

Even being poor as shit, you can make your life into whatever you want here, and really, nobody is going to stand in your way.

you're in for a rude awakening, son.

Whitey · 07-02-2008, 07:45 PM

Yes, I'm proud of being American. Being patriotic and loving your country goes a lot deeper than just the actions of the government...I'm very proud of the American people and our accomplishments.

Lyntan · 07-02-2008, 07:48 PM

Lyntan · 07-02-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

if you got a problem with your country, then as a citizen of that country it is your responsibility to help fix the problem. now that said, I am proud that most of the awesome modern technological things came out of my country.

wow those are two of the dumbest individual statements i've heard in my life, right there next to each other

Slime · 07-02-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitey

Yes, I'm proud of being American. Being patriotic and loving your country goes a lot deeper than just the actions of the government...I'm very proud of the American people and our accomplishments.

I dunno... When I see "Are you proud of being an American", I'm thinking like, among the WORLD POPULATION, among a group of people from other countries, would YOU be proud of your country, America. And so my answer is definitely NO.

We have great achievements, tons of them, but in my opinion the other stuff outweighs that when looked at from a world view.

Compcat · 07-02-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyntan

wow those are two of the dumbest individual statements i've heard in my life, right there next to each other

care to elaborate?

Daniel Debonair · 07-02-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres

you're in for a rude awakening, son.

Not really. Sometimes I have a lot of money, sometimes I don't. I do what I want. I say what I want, and when people try to tell me what to do I tell them to shut the fuck up and suck my dick and move on with my life.

Pirate Balloon · 07-02-2008, 09:38 PM

I doubt you're living on the street kind of no money.

Bravoie · 07-02-2008, 09:40 PM

No, I'm not really proud of being born here. It's not like I had a choice or anything. I do feel fortunate that I wasn't born in some place like Ethiopia though. Patriotism pisses me off sometimes:

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Originally Posted by Compcat

if you got a problem with your country, then as a citizen of that country it is your responsibility to help fix the problem. now that said, I am proud that most of the awesome modern technological things came out of my country.

This is a prime example of why patriotism pisses me off. People don't have a choice of where they'll be born so they don't hold any responsibility to staying in their country and attempting to fix its problems within their short life spans. If people are born in to a country that is completely fucked, they should at least have the choice of moving to another country to have a better life. THIS IS WHY IMMIGRATION EXISTS. Do you expect the starving families in third world countries to fix their government's problems? Are you really saying that is their responsibility to fix the problems because they were born there?

Compcat · 07-03-2008, 08:37 AM

Oh, right, yeah, I'm pretty sure most starving poor families in third world countries are able to immigrate. The people that do have that option, most likely are capable of making some change for the better, but why do that when you can run away and leave the power in the hands of the people that fucked things up in the first place. Obviously (or so I thought) not every issue is black and white, if you have starving children and the option to immigrate to a place where they won't be starving then duh, but if you are a doctor that doesn't make much money in Kuwataristan and would make a ton in US then that is pretty shitty to leave.

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Are you really saying that is their responsibility to fix the problems because they were born there?

If someone is born into a family with a retarded brother and later on the parents die is it that person's responsibility to look after him?

Pizza The Hut · 07-03-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

but if you are a doctor that doesn't make much money in Kuwataristan and would make a ton in US then that is pretty shitty to leave

Why?

Compcat · 07-03-2008, 10:07 AM

Really? There isn't a problem with all their successful citizens leaving just to make more money? They have enough problems as it is without us taking all their good people. Also you don't see how its selfish to abandon your nation for more money, or for anything really?

Bravoie · 07-03-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Compcat

Oh, right, yeah, I'm pretty sure most starving poor families in third world countries are able to immigrate.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...330540150.html

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Originally Posted by Compcat

The people that do have that option, most likely are capable of making some change for the better, but why do that when you can run away and leave the power in the hands of the people that fucked things up in the first place.

Once again, you’re assuming every immigrant from a poor country has had a successful life and therefore owes his country his 'services'?

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Originally Posted by Compcat

Obviously (or so I thought) not every issue is black and white, if you have starving children and the option to immigrate to a place where they won't be starving then duh, but if you are a doctor that doesn't make much money in Kuwataristan and would make a ton in US then that is pretty shitty to leave.

Since we’re speaking theoretically here, that doctor from Kuwataristan may have other reasons for leaving his country other than money. Every immigrant has their own personal reason for leaving a country such as better education, safety, etc. The point is that you don’t know each immigrant’s story, so your suggestion that they owe their country their services is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Compcat

If someone is born into a family with a retarded brother and later on the parents die is it that person's responsibility to look after him?

This analogy is retarded. My country isn’t my “family”… it’s a piece of governed land that I was born on.

Compcat · 07-03-2008, 09:40 PM

A long time ago people were born into villages instead of nations and it was then their responsibility to contribute to their community, now nation has replaced that, but I do see how it could be easy to not see any connection with the nation one is born in. You feel that nobody has a commitment to anything but himself and his relations, a pretty selfish point of view but you are entitled to it.

07-02-2008, 05:40 AM	#1
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	are you proud of being american? yes/no?
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07-02-2008, 05:49 AM	#2
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881	mostly ashamed. especially when I hear shitty songs like "This is ourrrr counnntry!" are the political anthem for the anti-immigration movement. Nobody's allowed into our country because this is OUR country. And ya'll are terrorists. Yet we're the ones that killed 100 million indians because we were pissed off they were IN OUR SPOT!
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881	Last edited by Shaun : 07-02-2008 at 06:07 AM.

07-02-2008, 05:55 AM	#3
Slime Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 24,891	no. we are assholes to the rest of the world. we use our military too much which is especially embarrassing.
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07-02-2008, 06:03 AM	#4
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	no, but I hate shitheads who say, "well if your not proud to be an american then GET OUT!," or people who do actually get out because they "hate america." if you got a problem with your country, then as a citizen of that country it is your responsibility to help fix the problem. now that said, I am proud that most of the awesome modern technological things came out of my country.
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

07-02-2008, 06:13 AM	#5
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881	Americans have the best accent.
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881

07-02-2008, 06:15 AM	#6
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	howdy ya'll!
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

07-02-2008, 06:57 AM	#7
Pizza The Hut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,633	Eh, not really. I'm not really proud of any inherent quality about myself I didn't choose; I was born here.

07-02-2008, 08:24 AM	#8
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988	I LOVE it here. I hate a lot of the shit my government does, but I LOOOOOVE it here. Even being poor as shit, you can make your life into whatever you want here, and really, nobody is going to stand in your way.
Daniel Debonair Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 988

07-02-2008, 08:29 AM	#10
Pizza The Hut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 10,633	Yes, I do too, but that is different than being proud, right? If not, then I'm proud. Oh wait, you were just adding on, WEREN'T YA.

07-02-2008, 08:30 AM	#11
Rabid Dinosaur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 14,894	Right, I think so. I was agreeing with you.

07-02-2008, 07:45 PM	#13
Whitey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,536	Yes, I'm proud of being American. Being patriotic and loving your country goes a lot deeper than just the actions of the government...I'm very proud of the American people and our accomplishments.
Whitey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,536

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Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315	yes
Lyntan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 14,315

07-02-2008, 09:38 PM	#19
Pirate Balloon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,911	I doubt you're living on the street kind of no money.

07-03-2008, 10:07 AM	#23
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	Really? There isn't a problem with all their successful citizens leaving just to make more money? They have enough problems as it is without us taking all their good people. Also you don't see how its selfish to abandon your nation for more money, or for anything really?
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810

07-03-2008, 09:40 PM	#25
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810	A long time ago people were born into villages instead of nations and it was then their responsibility to contribute to their community, now nation has replaced that, but I do see how it could be easy to not see any connection with the nation one is born in. You feel that nobody has a commitment to anything but himself and his relations, a pretty selfish point of view but you are entitled to it.
Compcat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,810