Obama

Breed · 06-04-2008, 01:10 AM

EHEHEHEHEHHEEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE

Pogo · 06-04-2008, 01:25 AM

More like OBLACKa amirite

Aaron Haynes · 06-04-2008, 01:32 AM

pffft, way to defeat a historic breakthrough candidate, barack obama.

McJuicy · 06-04-2008, 01:37 AM

He aint one yet
he aint got enough of your super delegates

Aaron Haynes · 06-04-2008, 01:41 AM

With the delegates from South Dakota and Montana he'll cross the 2,118 threshold.

Jason Ruiz · 06-04-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pogo

More like OBLACKa amirite

That made me laugh a lot harder than it should have.

Raz · 06-04-2008, 02:04 AM

looking forwards to racists being told what to do by a spook

Allergic 2 Life · 06-04-2008, 05:41 AM

lets place bets on how long it takes for him to get assassinated

Tuna Hematoma · 06-04-2008, 05:50 AM

It will be after he's officially the president and Hillary is vice... this way Hillary will become president like she wants.

Scatterbrain · 06-04-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilzenan

looking forwards to racists being told what to do by a spook

Who you calling "Spook", Peckerwood?!

Phil Williamson · 06-04-2008, 10:11 AM

There is no way Hillary will be vice president, not after such a vicious campaign. Obama can't just turn around and say, "that person I've been saying would be a horribly inferior president to me for the past year or so? Well, I've chosen her to replace me if I die." No way.

Maritheclap · 06-04-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil Williamson

There is no way Hillary will be vice president, not after such a vicious campaign. Obama can't just turn around and say, "that person I've been saying would be a horribly inferior president to me for the past year or so? Well, I've chosen her to replace me if I die." No way.

It seems like the party would be split if he didn't ask her, and yesterday during their speeches they both went on and on about what a wonderful candidate the other one was.

Zaquis · 06-04-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritheclap

It seems like the party would be split if he didn't ask her, and yesterday during their speeches they both went on and on about what a wonderful candidate the other one was.

every politician does that

she will not be VP and i really wish she'd just give the fuck up. hopefully when obama's in the white house this whole system will be revamped because this has been fucking ridiculous

Andres · 06-04-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritheclap

It seems like the party would be split if he didn't ask her, and yesterday during their speeches they both went on and on about what a wonderful candidate the other one was.

why would the party split up?

do you think every clinton voter will absolutely not vote for obama? because thats obviously wrong.

Maritheclap · 06-04-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres

why would the party split up?

do you think every clinton voter will absolutely not vote for obama? because thats obviously wrong.

I obsessively listen to political talk radio, right and left. From what I have gathered, there are a great deal of people who believe that the party will split, and there are a lot of people who say that they won't vote Obama unless he has her as a running mate.

I think he could win without her, I just think it will be easier with her, because the die hard Clinton supporters would follow.

Whitey · 06-04-2008, 05:50 PM

Obama is going to be repeatedly characterized as being too lefty, while McCain as more moderate. This is already underway, particularly with influential conservative talk radio hosts and pundits. Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Igraham, and all the other top commentators are talking endlessly about how they don't like McCain because he's not a true conservative; how they all wanted Romney.

So if Limbaugh and company are all saying they don't like McCain, it makes him seem more moderate and palatable to non-conservatives. And that's the entire plan.

It's not far-fetched to think McCain will snag a good number of Hillary supporters and moderates/independents that aren't thrilled with Obama's politics. That's why Hillary as VP isn't a horrible a idea for the Dems...it will bring in more votes.

Andres · 06-04-2008, 06:04 PM

hillary can't be the vp because she publicly criticized obama and suggested mccain would be a better president. you can't have a vp that thinks the other guy would be a better president, the lines of attack would be too obvious.

characterizing obama as leftist is an idiotic strategy. that's what every moron in the past six months has tried to do against their congressional opposition (LOOK AT THIS LEFTIST ABORTIONIST, HE ALSO ASSOCIATES WITH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA) and they have all failed miserably.

Whitey · 06-04-2008, 06:15 PM

Aaron Haynes · 06-04-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitey

Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Igraham, and all the other top commentators are talking endlessly about how they don't like McCain because he's not a true conservative; how they all wanted Romney.

This will end the moment they realize the general election is under way and have clear lines of attack on Obama. Rush especially is a notoriously unprincipled opportunist.

Also, the idea that Romney was the true conservative is hilarious. He was John Kerry 2.0.

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So if Limbaugh and company are all saying they don't like McCain, it makes him seem more moderate and palatable to non-conservatives. And that's the entire plan.

I've noticed this. McCain's political image is positively chameleon-like, despite having reshaped his policy package to better fit the right-wing mold and adopted only a slightly more nuanced version of Bush's foreign policy. He was so touted as a maverick during the Bush years that the idea has stuck despite the radical shift he's making towards the far-right. People still see him and think "Oh yeah, I remember that guy, he's the 'good conservative', I'd vote for him."

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It's not far-fetched to think McCain will snag a good number of Hillary supporters and moderates/independents that aren't thrilled with Obama's politics. That's why Hillary as VP isn't a horrible a idea for the Dems...it will bring in more votes.

I don't doubt this is the angle McCain and professional internet Republicans will play, and Hillary will simultaneously use it for her own leverage to attempt to get the VP position -- and when she doesn't, McCain will be "disappointed" for her supporters in order to siphon as many of them off as he can. It's a total appeal to emotion and anyone who buys into it is an idiot. Hillary's policies were as liberal as Obama's, if not moreso.

Bowman · 06-04-2008, 07:34 PM

The reason Obama won't choose Hillary is not because of this "vicious campaign" nonsense. It's because Hillary's supporters are the "old guard" of the Democratic party. They're people who have long had the most power in the Democratic party. For example, there's a Massachusetts representative, Barney Frank, who has been in power for a long time and sits in a few pretty powerful committees. It's in his interest to keep the status quo; don't bite the hand that feeds you. But then there's politicians who have long been pushed aside by the entrenched powers. These are the people who are supporting Obama in an effort to gain influence under his administration. Remember that the President of the USA becomes the head of his party.

In any case, the point I'm getting at here is that we have 2 warring factions in the Democratic party, a dispute which stems purely from the political ambitions of various politicians and not from any actual ideological difference. This dispute over power in the party & gov't is the reason that Obama and Clinton won't join. There is no way to simply share the power because if Obama wins, Clinton supporters will be replaced by Obama supporters and if Clinton wins, Obama supporters will only lose power.

Of course, there are special cases here. Obama gets a lot of support from powerful democrats like the Kennedys and Bill Richardson (my choice for VP), but they only backed him when it looked like a good bet. And that's all I have to say about that.

Space Goat · 06-04-2008, 09:56 PM

Well said, and all good points, Bowman.

Bowman · 06-04-2008, 10:33 PM

Really? I was just pulling most of it out of my ass.

Shaun · 06-04-2008, 10:47 PM

I love the harrowing look on Hilary's face in the bottom-left picture. Like the true moment she realises she's not going to be president.

McJuicy · 06-04-2008, 11:01 PM

I would feel an intense relief if I were her. Being president would sucks balls.

Aaron Haynes · 06-04-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman

But then there's politicians who have long been pushed aside by the entrenched powers. These are the people who are supporting Obama in an effort to gain influence under his administration. Remember that the President of the USA becomes the head of his party.

Many of Obama's supporters fit into this mold, but I think there's a little more to it than two sides fighting for power here. A big part of Obama's movement is that Washington power brokering and establishment favoritism isn't a good governing strategy. Clinton's camp thinks this philosophy doesn't win elections (and probably aren't keen on the idea of meritocracy to begin with).

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Of course, there are special cases here. Obama gets a lot of support from powerful democrats like the Kennedys and Bill Richardson (my choice for VP), but they only backed him when it looked like a good bet.

I dunno, Richardson was publicly vocal about his support for Obama. Considering his long history with the Clintons, that was pretty ballsy. He could've just kept his mouth shut and played the "I'll support the nominee" game.

He's my current favorite for VP too, though we haven't seen who Obama's most interested in yet.

06-04-2008, 01:10 AM	#1
Breed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,768	Obama EHEHEHEHEHHEEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
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06-04-2008, 01:25 AM	#2
Pogo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,228	More like OBLACKa amirite
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06-04-2008, 01:37 AM	#4
McJuicy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,786	He aint one yet he aint got enough of your super delegates
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06-04-2008, 02:04 AM	#7
Raz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,485	looking forwards to racists being told what to do by a spook
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06-04-2008, 05:50 PM	#16
Whitey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,536	Obama is going to be repeatedly characterized as being too lefty, while McCain as more moderate. This is already underway, particularly with influential conservative talk radio hosts and pundits. Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Igraham, and all the other top commentators are talking endlessly about how they don't like McCain because he's not a true conservative; how they all wanted Romney. So if Limbaugh and company are all saying they don't like McCain, it makes him seem more moderate and palatable to non-conservatives. And that's the entire plan. It's not far-fetched to think McCain will snag a good number of Hillary supporters and moderates/independents that aren't thrilled with Obama's politics. That's why Hillary as VP isn't a horrible a idea for the Dems...it will bring in more votes.
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06-04-2008, 01:32 AM	#3
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	pffft, way to defeat a historic breakthrough candidate, barack obama.

06-04-2008, 01:41 AM	#5
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	With the delegates from South Dakota and Montana he'll cross the 2,118 threshold.

06-04-2008, 05:41 AM	#8
Allergic 2 Life Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,459	lets place bets on how long it takes for him to get assassinated

06-04-2008, 05:50 AM	#9
Tuna Hematoma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,055	It will be after he's officially the president and Hillary is vice... this way Hillary will become president like she wants.

06-04-2008, 10:11 AM	#11
Phil Williamson Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 16,900	There is no way Hillary will be vice president, not after such a vicious campaign. Obama can't just turn around and say, "that person I've been saying would be a horribly inferior president to me for the past year or so? Well, I've chosen her to replace me if I die." No way.

06-04-2008, 06:04 PM	#17
Andres Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,797	hillary can't be the vp because she publicly criticized obama and suggested mccain would be a better president. you can't have a vp that thinks the other guy would be a better president, the lines of attack would be too obvious. characterizing obama as leftist is an idiotic strategy. that's what every moron in the past six months has tried to do against their congressional opposition (LOOK AT THIS LEFTIST ABORTIONIST, HE ALSO ASSOCIATES WITH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA) and they have all failed miserably.
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06-04-2008, 06:15 PM	#18
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06-04-2008, 07:34 PM	#20
Bowman Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 613	The reason Obama won't choose Hillary is not because of this "vicious campaign" nonsense. It's because Hillary's supporters are the "old guard" of the Democratic party. They're people who have long had the most power in the Democratic party. For example, there's a Massachusetts representative, Barney Frank, who has been in power for a long time and sits in a few pretty powerful committees. It's in his interest to keep the status quo; don't bite the hand that feeds you. But then there's politicians who have long been pushed aside by the entrenched powers. These are the people who are supporting Obama in an effort to gain influence under his administration. Remember that the President of the USA becomes the head of his party. In any case, the point I'm getting at here is that we have 2 warring factions in the Democratic party, a dispute which stems purely from the political ambitions of various politicians and not from any actual ideological difference. This dispute over power in the party & gov't is the reason that Obama and Clinton won't join. There is no way to simply share the power because if Obama wins, Clinton supporters will be replaced by Obama supporters and if Clinton wins, Obama supporters will only lose power. Of course, there are special cases here. Obama gets a lot of support from powerful democrats like the Kennedys and Bill Richardson (my choice for VP), but they only backed him when it looked like a good bet. And that's all I have to say about that.
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06-04-2008, 09:56 PM	#21
Space Goat Administrator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,042	Well said, and all good points, Bowman.

06-04-2008, 10:33 PM	#22
Bowman Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 613	Really? I was just pulling most of it out of my ass.
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06-04-2008, 10:47 PM	#23
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881	I love the harrowing look on Hilary's face in the bottom-left picture. Like the true moment she realises she's not going to be president.
Shaun Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 17,881

06-04-2008, 11:01 PM	#24
McJuicy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,786	I would feel an intense relief if I were her. Being president would sucks balls.
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