The Very Basics Of 7gen - NOOBS PLEASE READ - aka 7gen For Dummies

Darth Fyer · 04:41 PM

Ok, in this thread i'll go through the basics when it comes to 7gen. If you need help installing 7gen, go here. Providing 7gen is up-to-date, you will have eight options: actorextractor, background2vxp, bmp2vxp, campan2vxp, jkl2vxp, md2_to_vxp, obj2vxp and rgb2vxp.

Status: In progress. My 'objective' is to make simple and easy to follow guides for 7gen. I still need to get tutorials for Campan2vxp and Jkl2vxp. Anyone who knows how to use these, please let me know.

Actor Extractor - Extract 3dmm actors/props for modifying
by Darth Fyer
For the tutorial click here

Background2vxp - Create backgrounds from BMP/JPG/PNG
by Darth Fyer
For the tutorial click here

Bmp2vxp - Create 3D word textures from BMP/JPG/PNG
by Darth Fyer
For the tutorial click here

Campan2vxp - Create a 2D camera pan scene
Tutorial coming soon!
I have not used this before, can someone who has please post a tutorial in this thread. Thanks.

Jkl2vxp - Convert Jedi Knight levels to props
Tutorial coming soon!
I have not used this before, can someone who has please post a tutorial in this thread. Thanks.

Md2_2_vxp - Convert Quake 2 models to actors/props
by Xim
For the tutorial click here

ObJ2vxp - Convert OBJs to props
by Darth Fyer
For the tutorial click here

Rgb2vxp - Create a single-coloured scene background
by Darth Fyer
For the tutorial click here

HMC · 07-14-2006, 03:24 AM

My thread about unique filenames only really applies to the shortname. When it comes to the actual name of the VXP, you'll most likely actually want to be as unspecific as possible.

Also, Recompress Sections makes the file smaller, IIRC.

Darth Fyer · 07-14-2006, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMC

When it comes to the actual name of the VXP, you'll most likely actually want to be as unspecific as possible.

Unspecific as possible... what do you mean by that?

HMC · 07-14-2006, 03:34 AM

File shortnames will overlap, but the actual names of the Expansions do not, so you'll want to make it easy to find.

Darth Fyer · 07-14-2006, 03:45 AM

I'm either not with it or i don't understand. Are you abe to edit the first post to how you are explaining? Sorry, i must be a bit tired. I'm trying to make things simple, but it seems i'm just complicating it.

HMC · 07-14-2006, 03:48 AM

Just get rid of the red text in the explanation for 'Expansion Name' by not the one for 'Shortname'.

Darth Fyer · 07-14-2006, 03:50 AM

Darth Fyer · 07-14-2006, 04:00 AM

Ok.. now that that is fixed up, do you like what i'm doing with this?

HMC · 07-14-2006, 04:09 AM

Yeah, but I think you might be neglecting the intelligence of the reader a bit much. It doesn't really take a genius to figure out what the loading bar is for.

Darth Fyer · 08:20 AM

I agree, but you do get the odd person that has no clue. I'm going to leave it how it is. If there are further complaints, then i'll consider changing it.

Also, In the Computers course I am doing at the moment, we have to type up very simple documentation for almost everything we use. So that has carried on, so to speak. It's just how i have been taught to type procedures/documentation.

Darth Fyer · 10:17 AM

I have discovered that what i am doing is way too big (character limit). So i am going to have to post separate threads on each part of 7gen and then link them all to this one.

Edit: 300th post YAY

Raz · 07-20-2006, 03:30 PM

Hey, y'know I don't have a clue about any of this shit so this might come in pretty handy at some point. Good work.

Darth Fyer · 07-20-2006, 04:04 PM

Thanks Jay. That's the whole idea of it.

Sam Hughes · 07-21-2006, 11:39 AM

why don't you make 3DMM Pencil for dummies

Darth Fyer · 07-21-2006, 12:23 PM

I would if i knew how to use it

but sadly i don't

I'll have a look at Pencil when i'm not busy, see if i can work it out by myself.

Stroggdor · 08-23-2006, 01:12 AM

Fredrick · 01-28-2007, 11:26 AM

I'm a dummy. Say, if I wanted to turn this image into a photograph-object in 3DMM, is there any way I can do that in 7gen?

Molotov · 01-28-2007, 03:06 PM

If you learn how to use the BMP2VXP part of 7gen, then you can make it a 3d word texture, which when you put on a flat tile font will make pretty much the same thing.

Darth Fyer · 02-03-2007, 07:09 AM

Yeah, what Molotov said... here's the link to the tutorial page for BMP2VXP.

Richard Bevis · 02-03-2007, 10:09 AM

Is anyone able to tell me why after I've successfully made a textured obj out of blender into a vxp (for the first time in a year) it doesn't appear in the prop list in 3dmm? It also I've just realised is only 1 kb.. what's that about?

OH yeah and there's an error log:

Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
Windows NT/2K/XP (5.1 Service Pack 2, build 2600)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Documents and Settings\richard bevis\My Documents\3DMM\Other\7gen\7gen.pyw", line 33, in ?
sevengeninterface.run(sys.argv[1:])
File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 149, in run
gui.run()
File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 132, in run
ui.event(ev)
File "code\sockgui.py", line 257, in event
self.topwindow.mouseUp(event.pos,event.button)
File "code\sockgui.py", line 117, in mouseUp
if child.mouseUp(pos,button):
File "code\sockgui.py", line 878, in mouseUp
self.clicked()
File "code\sockgui.py", line 883, in clicked
self.callback(self.data)
File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 122, in runConverter
diereason=module.RunConverter('7gen: ')
File "bin\obj2vxpGUI.py", line 175, in RunConverter
return gui.run()
File "code\converterbase.py", line 17, in run
ui.event(ev)
File "code\sockgui.py", line 257, in event
self.topwindow.mouseUp(event.pos,event.button)
File "code\sockgui.py", line 117, in mouseUp
if child.mouseUp(pos,button):
File "code\sockgui.py", line 421, in mouseUp
self.clicked()
File "code\sockgui.py", line 409, in clicked
self.callback(self.data)
File "bin\obj2vxpGUI.py", line 116, in createVXP
uniqueid,self.progressCallback,self.statusCallback )
File "bin\obj2vxptex.py", line 234, in CreateVXPExpansionFromOBJTextured
Save3CN(outvxp)
File "bin\obj2vxptex.py", line 117, in Save3CN
bmdl=obj.makeBMDL(textureid)
File "code\obj.py", line 291, in makeBMDL
u,v=self.texverts[ti]
TypeError: list indices must be integers

Darth Fyer · 02-03-2007, 10:42 AM

I think when that happens with me, i have to reduce the size of the texture or reduce the size of the polys. If you give it a try, be sure to 'save as' before you try to change anything in case it gets stuffed up further.

But yeah, it hasn't happened to me in a long time, so i can't be sure. Anyone else got any suggestions?

Richard Bevis · 02-03-2007, 09:05 PM

It's a cube with a 102kb texture..

Darth Fyer · 02-03-2007, 10:29 PM

Oh my. Well i can't help you any further.... unless....

Well if it's just a cube, why don't you use BMP2VXP for the texture and use a cube in wackydings to put the texture over the top. Or is that not what you want?

Richard Bevis · 02-03-2007, 10:39 PM

No I was only doing a test, I'm actually trying to make a house but I've given up now, I'll just construct it in 3dmm.

Aaron Haynes · 02-10-2007, 02:48 PM

3dmm has no polycount limit and no filesize texture limit. The only limit is the number of polygons that can use the same file texture.

Did Blender export a .mtl file along with the .obj when you exported? Also, the file texture you used need to be in the same directory as these when you run obj2vxp.

07-14-2006, 03:10 AM	#1
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	The Very Basics Of 7gen - NOOBS PLEASE READ - aka 7gen For Dummies Ok, in this thread i'll go through the basics when it comes to 7gen. If you need help installing 7gen, go here. Providing 7gen is up-to-date, you will have eight options: actorextractor, background2vxp, bmp2vxp, campan2vxp, jkl2vxp, md2_to_vxp, obj2vxp and rgb2vxp. Status: In progress. My 'objective' is to make simple and easy to follow guides for 7gen. I still need to get tutorials for Campan2vxp and Jkl2vxp. Anyone who knows how to use these, please let me know. Actor Extractor - Extract 3dmm actors/props for modifying by Darth Fyer For the tutorial click here Background2vxp - Create backgrounds from BMP/JPG/PNG by Darth Fyer For the tutorial click here Bmp2vxp - Create 3D word textures from BMP/JPG/PNG by Darth Fyer For the tutorial click here Campan2vxp - Create a 2D camera pan scene Tutorial coming soon! I have not used this before, can someone who has please post a tutorial in this thread. Thanks. Jkl2vxp - Convert Jedi Knight levels to props Tutorial coming soon! I have not used this before, can someone who has please post a tutorial in this thread. Thanks. Md2_2_vxp - Convert Quake 2 models to actors/props by Xim For the tutorial click here ObJ2vxp - Convert OBJs to props by Darth Fyer For the tutorial click here Rgb2vxp - Create a single-coloured scene background by Darth Fyer For the tutorial click here
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Last edited by Phil Williamson : 03-16-2016 at 04:41 PM.

07-14-2006, 03:24 AM	#2
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715	My thread about unique filenames only really applies to the shortname. When it comes to the actual name of the VXP, you'll most likely actually want to be as unspecific as possible. Also, Recompress Sections makes the file smaller, IIRC.
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715

07-14-2006, 03:34 AM	#4
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715	File shortnames will overlap, but the actual names of the Expansions do not, so you'll want to make it easy to find.
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715

07-14-2006, 03:45 AM	#5
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	I'm either not with it or i don't understand. Are you abe to edit the first post to how you are explaining? Sorry, i must be a bit tired. I'm trying to make things simple, but it seems i'm just complicating it.
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

07-14-2006, 03:50 AM	#7
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Ok.
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07-14-2006, 03:48 AM	#6
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715	Just get rid of the red text in the explanation for 'Expansion Name' by not the one for 'Shortname'.
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715

07-14-2006, 04:00 AM	#8
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Ok.. now that that is fixed up, do you like what i'm doing with this?
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

07-14-2006, 04:09 AM	#9
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715	Yeah, but I think you might be neglecting the intelligence of the reader a bit much. It doesn't really take a genius to figure out what the loading bar is for.
HMC Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,715

07-14-2006, 04:19 AM	#10
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	I agree, but you do get the odd person that has no clue. I'm going to leave it how it is. If there are further complaints, then i'll consider changing it. Also, In the Computers course I am doing at the moment, we have to type up very simple documentation for almost everything we use. So that has carried on, so to speak. It's just how i have been taught to type procedures/documentation.
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Last edited by Darth Fyer : 07-14-2006 at 08:20 AM.

07-14-2006, 08:32 AM	#11
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	I have discovered that what i am doing is way too big (character limit). So i am going to have to post separate threads on each part of 7gen and then link them all to this one. Edit: 300th post YAY
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07-20-2006, 03:30 PM	#12
Raz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,485	Hey, y'know I don't have a clue about any of this shit so this might come in pretty handy at some point. Good work.
Raz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,485

07-20-2006, 04:04 PM	#13
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Thanks Jay. That's the whole idea of it.
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07-21-2006, 11:39 AM	#14
Sam Hughes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,408	why don't you make 3DMM Pencil for dummies

07-21-2006, 12:23 PM	#15
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	I would if i knew how to use it but sadly i don't I'll have a look at Pencil when i'm not busy, see if i can work it out by myself.
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

08-23-2006, 01:12 AM	#16
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01-28-2007, 11:26 AM	#17
Fredrick Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,113	I'm a dummy. Say, if I wanted to turn this image into a photograph-object in 3DMM, is there any way I can do that in 7gen?
Fredrick Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 5,113

01-28-2007, 03:06 PM	#18
Molotov Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,858	If you learn how to use the BMP2VXP part of 7gen, then you can make it a 3d word texture, which when you put on a flat tile font will make pretty much the same thing.
Molotov Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,858

02-03-2007, 07:09 AM	#19
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Yeah, what Molotov said... here's the link to the tutorial page for BMP2VXP.
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

02-03-2007, 10:09 AM	#20
Richard Bevis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,190	Is anyone able to tell me why after I've successfully made a textured obj out of blender into a vxp (for the first time in a year) it doesn't appear in the prop list in 3dmm? It also I've just realised is only 1 kb.. what's that about? OH yeah and there's an error log: Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] Windows NT/2K/XP (5.1 Service Pack 2, build 2600) Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Documents and Settings\richard bevis\My Documents\3DMM\Other\7gen\7gen.pyw", line 33, in ? sevengeninterface.run(sys.argv[1:]) File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 149, in run gui.run() File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 132, in run ui.event(ev) File "code\sockgui.py", line 257, in event self.topwindow.mouseUp(event.pos,event.button) File "code\sockgui.py", line 117, in mouseUp if child.mouseUp(pos,button): File "code\sockgui.py", line 878, in mouseUp self.clicked() File "code\sockgui.py", line 883, in clicked self.callback(self.data) File "code\sevengeninterface.py", line 122, in runConverter diereason=module.RunConverter('7gen: ') File "bin\obj2vxpGUI.py", line 175, in RunConverter return gui.run() File "code\converterbase.py", line 17, in run ui.event(ev) File "code\sockgui.py", line 257, in event self.topwindow.mouseUp(event.pos,event.button) File "code\sockgui.py", line 117, in mouseUp if child.mouseUp(pos,button): File "code\sockgui.py", line 421, in mouseUp self.clicked() File "code\sockgui.py", line 409, in clicked self.callback(self.data) File "bin\obj2vxpGUI.py", line 116, in createVXP uniqueid,self.progressCallback,self.statusCallback ) File "bin\obj2vxptex.py", line 234, in CreateVXPExpansionFromOBJTextured Save3CN(outvxp) File "bin\obj2vxptex.py", line 117, in Save3CN bmdl=obj.makeBMDL(textureid) File "code\obj.py", line 291, in makeBMDL u,v=self.texverts[ti] TypeError: list indices must be integers

02-03-2007, 10:42 AM	#21
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	I think when that happens with me, i have to reduce the size of the texture or reduce the size of the polys. If you give it a try, be sure to 'save as' before you try to change anything in case it gets stuffed up further. But yeah, it hasn't happened to me in a long time, so i can't be sure. Anyone else got any suggestions?
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

02-03-2007, 09:05 PM	#22
Richard Bevis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,190	It's a cube with a 102kb texture..

02-03-2007, 10:29 PM	#23
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656	Oh my. Well i can't help you any further.... unless.... Well if it's just a cube, why don't you use BMP2VXP for the texture and use a cube in wackydings to put the texture over the top. Or is that not what you want?
Darth Fyer Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 656

02-03-2007, 10:39 PM	#24
Richard Bevis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,190	No I was only doing a test, I'm actually trying to make a house but I've given up now, I'll just construct it in 3dmm.

02-10-2007, 02:48 PM	#25
Aaron Haynes Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 15,125	3dmm has no polycount limit and no filesize texture limit. The only limit is the number of polygons that can use the same file texture. Did Blender export a .mtl file along with the .obj when you exported? Also, the file texture you used need to be in the same directory as these when you run obj2vxp.